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Mistress Dasha · Jul 15, 2005, 03:52 PM // 15:52

ok if no one is saying that when I log in im useless then why are you generalizing all warriors into that catagory.. (dont remember who said it) instead of you guys posting that warriors are stupid and useless with only 2 spells.. why dont you help your fellow Guild Wars players and offer advice on what not to do or what to do against your paticular skills/spells...

sino-soviet · Jul 15, 2005, 03:56 PM // 15:56

Hmmm there's an idea.....schools. That would be pretty weird, people from the top guild teaching newbie warriors tactics and stuff. I like it

BigTru · Jul 15, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

Why does everyone feel the need to come in and highjack my thread?

Like I said, if you want to trash talk Warriors, fine, go to another thread and tell me how useless I am. I'm just dying to hear it. But please don't come to my thread and highjack it, sending it way off topic.

Algren Cole · Jul 15, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

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Originally Posted by BigTru

Why does everyone feel the need to come in and highjack my thread?

Like I said, if you want to trash talk Warriors, fine, go to another thread and tell me how useless I am. I'm just dying to hear it. But please don't come to my thread and highjack it, sending it way off topic.

there wasn't even a topic...it was a "wo0t go me I'm a warrior" thread

BigTru · Jul 15, 2005, 05:48 PM // 17:48

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

there wasn't even a topic...it was a "wo0t go me I'm a warrior" thread

Mabey, but it sure as hell wasn't "Hey, I'm a warrior! I'm gimp, flame me! I want to hear all your complaints, NOW!"

smitty-gw · Jul 15, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

I play a W/Mo and see definate value in them in PvE if played correctly. That pretty much goes for every class though.

As for PvP, I don't know and will not comment on it.

cookiehoarder · Jul 15, 2005, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost

I like warriors becuase they're the class people run from.

Wrooooooooong

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Originally Posted by smitty-gw

I play a W/Mo and see definate value in them in PvE if played correctly. That pretty much goes for every class though.

As for PvP, I don't know and will not comment on it.

That's because W/Mo is pretty much useless in PvP. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's the truth. However, I've seen ONE good w/mo in PvP, it was a mere clone of a knockdown/aftershock w/e.

I'm sorry for just posting negative things about Warriors but I'm fed up with them. As a Ranger I constantly hear "You run like a bitch" from newb warriors in PvP. 95% of them oddly happen to be W/Mo. Warriors aren't that good. IF you guys ever see Shadow of Twilight win in HoH it's because he uses RANGERS not WARRIORS. <3 quick shot

salja Wachi · Jul 15, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

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Originally Posted by BigTru

Mabey, but it sure as hell wasn't "Hey, I'm a warrior! I'm gimp, flame me! I want to hear all your complaints, NOW!"

but don't you see that is eaclty what it was lol. you are a warrior so after racking up amost 1000 hours in gameplay and watching warrior after warrior tell us how great they re with their max DPS crap (which by the way is not even accurate ) warriors need to be set in place where they belong. part of a tream and not the uber leet characters most of them think they are

hydrak · Jul 15, 2005, 05:57 PM // 17:57

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Originally Posted by BigTru

It seems like everyone has the same perception of Warriors.

Everybody seems to knock us; They say all of us are dumb noobs; that our jobs just to stand around and do nothing; that we are bad for PvP; that our damage is horrible; claiming just how easily we can be countered.

In spite of this, I'd just like to show a little warrior pride. Others may hate us, but most of us know that we can make just as much of an effect on the battle field as any other profession, PvE and PvP. I'm not going to go into detail of this, though...

WARRIOR PIRDE FOREVER!

You have to say a little what you can do to help the group as a warrior. The majority of the "WARRIOR PRIDE" attitudes that I've seen from PUGs are as follows. In PvE, aggro all monsters in the areas. In PvP, run right in the middle of the enemy without waiting for team calls and thinking that they are invincible as warriors.

hydrak · Jul 15, 2005, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by cookiehoarder

That's because W/Mo is pretty much useless in PvP. I'm not trying to be rude, but it's the truth. However, I've seen ONE good w/mo in PvP, it was a mere clone of a knockdown/aftershock w/e.

I don't have a warrior, but I'm very sure that warrior monk is one of a few class that is capable of doing the most damage to a greater/winter/mantra spirit team. As a spirit team, it's hard to counter another spirit team which has 2 wa/mo + 3 rangers + 3 monks. Their double final thrusts dropped my monk so fast while the rest of my team are suffering poison, deep wound, bleeding.

cookiehoarder · Jul 15, 2005, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior

mend ailment
shielding hands
shield of regeneration

those cant be stopped unless you use diversion

Now dude you're just a flat out noob. What happens when a Ranger spams dibilitating on you? You CAN'T CAST THE SPELLS. What if a Ranger just happens to let a concussion shot fly when you're pressing sheild of regen? You're dazed. You can't cast spells. W/Mo=Newbish and predictable.

I'll also look at it from let's say a mesmer's point of view. (I'm new to Mesmers so if I mess up that's why) For my PvP Mesmer I use Domination/Illusion. I just cast Arcane conundrum, energy burn, conjure phantasm to get them low. When they cast a spell *BAM* Power Block. All their healing/protection/smiting or whatever spells they use are useless. Then after the 15 seconds of no healing, just hit them with a black out.

cookiehoarder · Jul 15, 2005, 06:24 PM // 18:24

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Originally Posted by hydrak

I don't have a warrior, but I'm very sure that warrior monk is one of a few class that is capable of doing the most damage to a greater/winter/mantra spirit team. As a spirit team, it's hard to counter another spirit team which has 2 wa/mo + 3 rangers + 3 monks. Their double final thrusts dropped my monk so fast while the rest of my team are suffering poison, deep wound, bleeding.

I can see where you are coming from. I often go HoH with GC/Winter/Mantra of frost. I either play R/Me or Mo/Me with that team. Now, W/Mo who used swords final thrusted me for about...50 damage? Axe Warriors eviscerated for about..70? The only time that team has ever lost to Warriors was when they had W/R's with edge of extinction. I do admit that some Warriors are good. However, 95% of Warriors are w/mo. That other 5% is possibley an original, w/me,w/e,w/r, or w/n. W/Mo is for PvE strictly. Not PvP.

Corpse of Stefan · Jul 15, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by QuixotesGhost

I like warriors becuase they're the class people run from.

I feel sorry for warriors because they're the class you gain 100% immunity to if you move away from them

cookiehoarder · Jul 15, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Corpse of Stefan

I feel sorry for warriors because they're the class you gain 100% immunity to if you move away from them

Quite easy to gain immunity from them standding next to them.

I've been going over the whole W/mo idea and...Really...The reason I belive they suck is they are so overused that everyone knows how to counter them. I know I changed my views a bit..

Shayul · Jul 15, 2005, 07:15 PM // 19:15

BigTru, nice try trying to stick up for your class of choice. People flaming warriors are just as bad as people flaming healing monks, or any other class, in my opinion.

Why can't we just let people play the type of character they want, without being subject to brutal judgment on their relative skill level?

Borak Bloodbane · Jul 15, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

I love how you guys say these stupid things such as warriors CANT kill an air ele and warriors cant kill this and that. What matters is the build being applied on that char a warrior is facing. I have been playing pvp w/ my warrior for about a month now and would like to say in their defense that w/ the right skills yes a warrior can do very considerable dmg, but usually cannot take down a class by themselves and that is fine. No class in this game is expected to be able to solo single targets when fighting a good team. IMO in a party air elems generally are used to do the dmg in quick bursts, warriors on the other hand deal mediocre dmg over a long amount of time. Usually a warriors worth shines brightest when he is able to cripple, blind, deep wound, weaken and knockdown enemies. You all bash warriors cuz you say they are sad dmg output but in pvp they shouldnt be considered dmg dealers and should only be considered for the above mentioned skills. Oh and btw rangers and elems can put up their wards and put up their stances(or w/e they are called for rangers) but if a warrior has skills equipped that cant be blocked or evaded then...there goes your stance or ward. Also i would like to give a little pointer to the rest of the warriors out there. If a target is evading and blocking a lot have your party move on to a new called target, its that simple. Maybe the reason people think warriors suck so much is that most of them do because they just sit there and attack the same guy over and over again and never give up. HELLLO!! if they arent running they dont care

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Well there is my two cents thanks for listening.

Borak Bloodbane · Jul 15, 2005, 07:33 PM // 19:33

Also, I forgot to mention in the last post is that one thing a lot of people dont realize is that this is a paper rock scissors game, meaning that any given char build can be beaten by another char build eventually. You guys out there searching for the ultimate team build and char class are going to be sadly disspointed. It doesnt exist, the greatest team and char builds are the ones that work well together. There are no classes or builds in this game that are dominant and should be THE ONLY CHOICE for a player. ArenaNet has done a very good job IMO that making sure that any class can be effective in PVE and PVP. How you use the class is what makes you great. There are bad warrior PC's, there are bad Air Elem PC's but there is no such thing as warriors being just a straight bad class.

Lorelei · Jul 15, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

The more people use warrior wrong, the better for some warriors who work well with his teammate: ANet will see "warriors are weak, let boost warriors some more"

Agree with Borak Bloodbane. Someone could be very bad at 1x1, but a very valuable teammate.

It is also true that most novice warrior (include myself) would rush head first into the fray, thinking that would make my weapon more effective and I would do something valuable that way. But it is not necessarily so. Secondary profession is one of the subtleties.

Krytan Warrior · Jul 15, 2005, 08:00 PM // 20:00

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Originally Posted by Exar

Its all about W/Mo, they suck and they are common.

How do they exactly suck? If that w/mo has some good smiting skills and knows how to use them how does he suck?

Not ALL w/mos are self-healers you know.

QuixotesGhost · Jul 18, 2005, 10:10 PM // 22:10

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Originally Posted by cookiehoarder

Now dude you're just a flat out noob. What happens when a Ranger spams dibilitating on you? You CAN'T CAST THE SPELLS. What if a Ranger just happens to let a concussion shot fly when you're pressing sheild of regen? You're dazed. You can't cast spells. W/Mo=Newbish and predictable.

I'll also look at it from let's say a mesmer's point of view. (I'm new to Mesmers so if I mess up that's why) For my PvP Mesmer I use Domination/Illusion. I just cast Arcane conundrum, energy burn, conjure phantasm to get them low. When they cast a spell *BAM* Power Block. All their healing/protection/smiting or whatever spells they use are useless. Then after the 15 seconds of no healing, just hit them with a black out.

Wow, who's the mesmer wasting a powerblock on a W/Mo? If a Warrior wants to self heal just let the idiot do it. I'll be funnier when he's the last one left doing the "Run Run Run, Mend Mend Mend, Run Run Run, Mend Mend Mend Idiot W/Mo shuffle." The proper way to deal with warriors is not shut down thier defense. It's to shut down thier offense and save them till last.